Such a good read John and it paints such a real picture of Pete. Seems like Pete mostly interviewed himself with a writer present to record it! I like the line that he stayed long enough to be forgotten as an active player. True!
I think you’ve heard my thoughts on this before, Mark, but I think they’re worth reiterating. There are many mediocre players in the HOF who distinguished themselves as managers (Earl Weaver, Tommy Lasorda, etc.), and an even greater number who distinguished themselves as players, but weren’t terribly successful managers (Frank Robinson, Ryne Sandburg, Ted Williams, etc.). I just wish the Era Committee could find a way to consider players who were “Almost Cooperstown” as both players and/or managers, but not yet in the Hall as either (Don Mattingly, Davey Johnson, Lou Pinella, etc.). Their decades of excellence in the game should somehow be recognized.
I'm on a road trip and for the last 2 hours wanted to reply that Rule B does evaluate the candidate on one aspect or another. To your point that's too limiting! Back on the road.
Got to interview him twice. What a trip.
https://open.substack.com/pub/johnnogowski/p/even-with-the-sword-of-damocles?r=7pf7u&utm_medium=ios
Such a good read John and it paints such a real picture of Pete. Seems like Pete mostly interviewed himself with a writer present to record it! I like the line that he stayed long enough to be forgotten as an active player. True!
Dave Roberts and Bruce Bochy will also get in as managers, but they weren’t great players.
I think you’ve heard my thoughts on this before, Mark, but I think they’re worth reiterating. There are many mediocre players in the HOF who distinguished themselves as managers (Earl Weaver, Tommy Lasorda, etc.), and an even greater number who distinguished themselves as players, but weren’t terribly successful managers (Frank Robinson, Ryne Sandburg, Ted Williams, etc.). I just wish the Era Committee could find a way to consider players who were “Almost Cooperstown” as both players and/or managers, but not yet in the Hall as either (Don Mattingly, Davey Johnson, Lou Pinella, etc.). Their decades of excellence in the game should somehow be recognized.
We’ll see what happens with the Dusty Baker.
Thanks Michael. I think Dusty is a pretty good bet!
Probably, but what about a category for these other guys?
You mean beyond Rule B I assume. And what exists now can be improved I'd also agree.
Doesn’t rule B restrict voters to consider candidates based on their performance as a player OR manager?
I'm on a road trip and for the last 2 hours wanted to reply that Rule B does evaluate the candidate on one aspect or another. To your point that's too limiting! Back on the road.